Jesse & Sefra Levin  | Episode 2 Transcript:

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Intro (00:07):

Welcome to Strength in Numbers, the podcast where we show you that together we can overcome any obstacle. Join us as we bring on world-renowned experts in the field of grit, determination and perseverance. Lean on us for a prosperous future, together. Here's your host, Colonel Tim Nye and Neal Keohane.

Col. Nye (00:31):

So I just want to welcome everybody to Strength in Numbers. This is a, a new podcast that's, uh, put on by our host, uh, Neal Keohane and myself, Tim, Tim Nye, Colonel, uh, or Colonel Nye for anybody who watches, um, Spartan Up, the podcast.

Col. Nye (00:47):

So this podcast is kind of dedicated, you know, it's just, Neal and I are looking for exceptional people. People that go out and do, um, altruistic things that help people, that have good news, good story, good human kind of people. And we want to in, we want to introduce them to the audience. So, today, uh, we've got a brother and sister, uh, team, uh, twins that are, um, I've known now for I guess right around six years, five-and-a-half years, somewhere in there. And I want to tell anybody who's listening that, um, if I didn't already have two children, these would be the two I would, I would claim, all right?

Col. Nye (01:29):

These would be the two that I would want to take some credit for because they are absolutely amazing. This is, uh, Sefra Alexandra, who is known by to, to all as the Seed Huntress, if you've watched Spartan Up, the podcast, you know her. And she's on a perennial expedition to save the genetic biodiversity of farms and forests. I, I hope I got that right. [crosstalk 00:01:54].

Col. Nye (01:53):

And her brother, uh, who's probably less well known in the Spartan Up community, but probably better known in the entrepreneurial world, is, uh, Jesse Levin, and he's the CEO and Founder of Activate, and what he's really, uh, known for is expeditionary entrepreneurialship, which is something we kind of, we're going to ask him about, uh, once we get started here.

Col. Nye (02:19):

And I think between the two of them, we're going to hear a lot about ecosystems because they both like to use that term a lot, and, uh, Sefra actually uses it, has educated me, and the importance of it in many fields, and Jesse's going to talk about, uh, the ecosystem of entrepreneurialship, especially within the, uh, disaster relief communities. So, uh, before we get started, Neal, is there anything you want to say there?

Neal Keohane (02:46):

Uh, no, thank you, Colonel. Um, that was great. Um, Sefra and Jesse, great to see you, and, and great to see everyone on the call. Thanks for sh, uh, showing up. I, I just wanted to say that, that the reason for us doing this is that, um, crisis always brings the worst or, uh, best into people, and we're trying to bring the best out into people.

Neal Keohane (03:05):

And whether, our audience is a regular blue collar guy to, uh, a CEO, or an ED of a non-profit, we're just going to try to bring guests on every week to talk about how we all can be better people and how we can help other people get through these stressful times. So, uh, Colonel, why don't you, um, why don't you take it from there and, and I'll spin them later.

Col. Nye (03:28):

All right, thanks. And, then also, for everybody who's familiar with this format, you want to go ahead, i-it's chat is on and write out a question if we can, where I can see it and read it, I certainly will. We'll fit it in or, if they just want to address it if they read it themselves, that's fine.

Col. Nye (03:43):

But, the question I think we need to start with obviously is always kind of background, and, I-I've had the privilege, uh, like I say, of knowing you now for some time. Um. I've met your parents, I've been to your homes. Uh. A-and just, to say this politely, you, you are, uh, the product of some means. Uh, you've had some advantages and opportunities in life, but what I'm fascinated by is that you haven't, you haven't abused those privileges, I guess, I would say.

Col. Nye (04:17):

Both of you focused your efforts on helping others. You're always putting others first, whether it's Sefra wanting to save the world with her seeds, or, or Jesse putting himself, you know, into disaster relief environments. And my question is, where does that come from? Where does that drive come from, and where does kind of also connected to that, you both have a, a driving sense of adventure. So where does that sense of adventure come from, and where does that, that altruistic means come from? And you, answer them, and I'll go to Jesse first, and then Sefra.

Jesse Levin (04:57):

Ah, thanks for having us, guys. Um, it's a pleasure to be here, uh, especially to officially be accompanying my, my, uh, better half. Um, so, yeah, I mean, it, it's a tough question. I mean, I don't know where it really came from. Our parents definitely, um, are, I would say, you know, play it this way, kind of batshit crazy in that, you know, they, they brought us up, um, you know, we had a, you know, kind of an open hand, right? They, they let us learn for ourselves. Um. And, you know, in that, in that sense, we got, we, we were fortunate to travel when we were, we were younger and we both got exposed to some things.

Jesse Levin (05:28):

Um, I know from my end, one of the most pivotal experiences of my life when I started to going a survival training school when I was pretty young, maybe around 12 or 13, which is how I first got exposed to, call it the dirt medicine, um, kind of the military veteran community. Um. Which is really kind of what set me on my path. Um, you know, I think Sefra and I, um, I don't have, uh, if, if kind of philanthropy is, is, is the right word, but we've just found the most effective way of doing things in this day and age is, is cliché.

Jesse Levin (05:57):

And as kind of, you know, millennial and snowflake as this might sound, is, you've, you've just got to do it the right way. And if, you know, exploitive practices just don't really work any more, um, so I think there's there's kind of a certain way of conducting business and conducting ourselves that have permeated through our respective pursuits, um, that, I, I, was so definitely instilled upon us by, you know, by our parents amongst many others, you know, you two, you two included.

Neal Keohane (06:19):

Thank you, Jesse.

Col. Nye (06:22):

And Sef, what about you?

Sefra Levin (06:27):

I would say, obviously, I go with what my brother says, but, first, um, Colonel Nye and Neal, you two are two of the most remarkable, humble, brilliant and good people that we know, and so, (laughing) it's not going to be hard-

Col. Nye (06:41):

All right. Let's get moving. (laughing).

Sefra Levin (06:42):

[crosstalk 00:06:42]. No, I'm serious. Oh, because, I think, I think you're, you're, uh, as we know, Joe says, you're the sum of the people that you surround yourself with, right? And I think that's really been true for us in our entire upbringing. I think that we're able to kind of sit at the hybrid and at the crossroads of a lot of different sectors and cultures and, and mediums. You know, my brother and I have delved into the survival skills, the ecological naturalist, primitive skills, entrepreneurial hospitality, food and beverage, just... We've kind of dove into so many of these different sectors that it's really, it gives you a perspective to be able to see where things all come together, where the nexus points are.

Sefra Levin (07:24):

So, I think just the way that we were raised was just kind of, um, just have this holistic vision to just get exposed to everything. And what you resonate with, as long as you're doing it with integrity and honesty and is working as hard and as best as you can and doing well, and doing right by yourself and right by others, we kind of, we had the freedom to explore what we wanted to do as long as we did well at that. So, you know, that, that takes a, a lot of hard work and a lot of trust and, uh, it's been really fun to see where it's ended and led us to.

Col. Nye (07:57):

All right, and I, and I accept all of those answers, um.

Sefra Levin (08:01):

Not specific enough for you?

Col. Nye (08:03):

No, no, very specific. I, I, listen, again, you and your brother are two of the most articulate people I've ever met, so, the chance of me... I'm just hoping to understand some of the things that you are going to say. But, I, I also want to know [crosstalk 00:08:17] because I have seen it, I've witnessed it myself, your toughness and grit, so that's something, you know, again, is that, is that from your parenting? You say your parents had an open hand way but for those that don't know, and again Sefra's got her Master's degree from Cornell in something. I'm not even sure what, what's it in? The actual title?

Sefra Levin (08:42):

(laughs). Ag, Ag, Agro Ecological Education.

Col. Nye (08:44):

Yeah.

Sefra Levin (08:45):

[crosstalk 00:08:45].

Col. Nye (08:45):

That's what I mean. You don't, don't hear that every day and yet, uh, Sefra, when I first met her, she was living in a tent on a side of a mountain up in Pittsfield, Vermont. And I don't know how long she was there, a year plus or so. No running water, no heat or electricity. And she's camped out in a tent, uh, out in the woods by herself. I mean, that is not the norm, all right. I mean, so and then you go again over to Jesse who purposely, you know, flies in and sets up camp inside disaster zones, whether it's Puerto Rico, Haiti. I think you were... Were you in Panama or down in, uh, Central America as well?

Jesse Levin (09:26):

Yep.

Col. Nye (09:27):

Yeah. So, I mean, that all, you know, speaks to yes, you're there to help others but you've got to have some kind of internal strength to do those things. Sefra, when I saw you do the, uh, when I was with you when we did the, um, the road march, the Bataan Death March, uh... And for anybody who's not tried that, that, that's 26 miles at 5,000 foot elevation across the desert with a pack. Uh. That hurt grown men, me included, and Sefra did it, barefooted, with a bag, like a 20 pound bag of seeds on her head, and smiled and laughed the whole time. That is a strong, strong woman. So, what I'm asking is where does that core strength come from?

Sefra Levin (10:13):

Uh. My mom's over in the corner and she just raised her hand. (laughs). So I guess that just [crosstalk 00:10:18].

Col. Nye (10:18):

(laughs). All right. Well, I mean, that may be, but how, how did you develop that, you know, when I've seen you lay in a cold stream. You know.

Sefra Levin (10:27):

I don't know. I think it has to be, um, I have three percent Gypsy blood. You know, we did one of those DNA tests. I think, I think it's got to be some ancestral lineage to a time that harkens back to saying that like the true patterns and cycles of how we live in the wilderness and the woodpeckers are our alarm clocks and the cold waters our baths. You know. I mean, Joe's whole thing about comfortable being uncomfortable, I got to a certain point where I was uncomfortable being comfortable. So.

Jesse Levin (10:53):

Yeah.

Sefra Levin (10:56):

I think it's like, I think it's just all a matter of the mind framing you look to 200, however many thousands of years, humans lived in a certain way and I guess, my blood just, uh, celebrates and relishes that paradigm, um, with a joyful smile. I don't know. Jess, what do you think?

Jesse Levin (11:16):

Yeah, man. I think, I think for this, this, this group in particular, you know, that the whole notion of, you know, putting yourself in, you know, ridiculous and uncomfortable situations, I think that's where a lot of folks who, who might, uh, associate or kind of otherwise be attracted to this community very much intuitively resonate with. And uh, other folks that I have the privilege of surrounding myself with, especially in disasters, whether it's a Special Operations veteran community or first responders, these are the type of folks that, you know... And I know it sounds kind of silly and it sounds again superficial, but they really are happiest when things are you know, "disruptive" or the status quo has kind of gone out the window and things in, you know, the general sense are perceived to be hectic or chaotic.

Jesse Levin (11:52):

But for, you know, for some people, that's just where they find their comfort and that's how they're wired. Um. You know. I'm one of those folks and I consider it really selfish and I get far more out of these experiences when I'm able to participate and I'm far happier, you know, when I'm swinging in a hammock in the middle of the Philippines somewhere after a typhoon. Which is not to say I, you know, I look forward to, you know, massive disruption and suffering to be happy. But, you know, when there's a chance to really be fully engaged, which of-often requires some semblance of sacrifice, I think that's, that's when you truly turn on and you, you know, it's a privilege to have that experience to really get to live. And I think a lot of us have just become so disturbingly, you know, disturbingly comfortable that we forget about that.

Jesse Levin (12:30):

And so it's perceived as an extreme and it's perceived as this wild and crazy grit thing, but really, once you kind of take that first step and you get into it and you get to start participating in these things, you turn into Sefra. Maybe that's like, maybe that's like, that's a sad, crazy [inaudible 00:12:45], but uh, you know, it, it makes you, uh, I think you find a sense of happiness and it just, it just rewires your baseline and changes your, your, your perception of what, you know, outside the norm of comfort is.

Neal Keohane (12:54):

Yeah, I think, um, I think, you know, I can't speak for everyone on this call, but what I know enough about Sefra and Jesse and Colonel Nye and myself, we, we've been very fortunate in our lives, uh, in a lot of different ways. But, um, we've all, everyone struggles and, and it's what you do with that struggle. And you know, I, I spent a lot of time on Wall Street, um, just kind of following the carrot on the stick and um, I, I always thought money was the happiness of, of, of everything. And, uh, I, I, I was a taker for many years and I really hadn't found happiness until I started giving back and it was almost selfish, um, for me thinking that I'm feeling good by helping people. Um.

Neal Keohane (13:37):

That's kind of a re-reward and I, I think what I'd like to talk to Jesse and Sefra about is, you know, if you come from a position of goodness first, uh, and if we're talking to a CEO or an ED of, uh, a non-profit or just a, um, a, just a regular man or a woman, um, we're going through some tough times right now. Wh-what advice do you have from, coming from some success and then dealing with some failures and then kind of being really successful in what you're doing by, by giving back. First and foremost is what you guys do every day. Do you guys have any advice for anybody that might be practical on a day-to-day basis? Jesse?

Jesse Levin (14:19):

Yeah, I think, um, uh, you know, number one, is, is, you know, really work to have a, a, s-sense of humor. Um.

Neal Keohane (14:25):

Yeah.

Jesse Levin (14:25):

You kind, you kind of can cultivate that over time but, you know, we've learned, it, it's worked for us sometimes and it's really bitten us in the, in the butt other times. But you really just, the greatest currency of the time is, I think Sefra mentioned this, is integrity. Like when you can shake someone's hand and just say "Look. This is me. I'm on the table. This is how we operate. This is what we're about. Let's go." And you know, you, you just put it out there, right.

Jesse Levin (14:45):

And, and you, and you, you put that faith, you know, we've come so far from that in, in society, especially in the business realm and in the entrepreneurial and environmental with contracts and negotiations and this and the other thing, it's so rare to say, "Hey, guys. We got, we got something to get done here." I can look at you in the eyes and like, you going to screw me or you're going to screw me and that, that karma is on you. Um. But I really encourage folks to, you know, be, be uncomfortable in like violating what business practices you might have like come, come to rely on and being very protective and very defensive. And just, just be vulnerable, you know and, and, be open.

Jesse Levin (15:19):

And I think the response that that will elicit from the certain people will be the kind of people that you want to associate with and you'll kind of be able to self select. Um. And again, sometimes it doesn't work and-

Neal Keohane (15:30):

Yeah, I agree.

Jesse Levin (15:31):

... sometimes you've got to be w-willing to totally get totally screwed over and taken advantage of. And, and I'll be honest, it's probably more than 50 percent of the times that that happens. But I think in these particular environments, you know, there's a, a natural inclination to want to be of service. People are dying to contribute. They want to get in. They want to get into the fight, whether they're a CEO, an entrepreneur or a, you know, a, a seamstress, whatever. So I think it's a really fascinating time to experiment with that and it's a much safer environment, uh, and once you experience that, it changes how you think and how, you know, how you conduct yourself and how you perceive things.

Neal Keohane (16:02):

Agreed, and, and I think the, the, you know, okay, it's an age old expression about you, your circle of trust and, um, I, you know, my circle of trust has gotten bigger, uh, over the past, uh, couple of years because I've let me trust people again, uh, after going through a really difficult time, um, you know, for a quarter or a third of my life, uh, in another business. But, um, yeah, Sefra, wh-what, what do you think? I mean, um, I think Jesse hit that right on the head, but wh-what, what would you bring to the table?

Sefra Levin (16:33):

Um. Yeah, and I also see that Angelique has, uh, something, an answer that she wants to contribute too. But I would say for me, um, more just like the, the practical earth based stuff, you know. I spent a large part of my life where people call me a hippie, because I like the seeds and the stuff, right? But now as we come into, um, more food security question marks and looking at all these, um, you know, distribution chains and things, I think all of these just baseline, what we call homesteader skills, right? I mean, people are at home and we, we can make a little bit of time, whether there's a windowsill or something in your backyard.

Sefra Levin (17:12):

For me, this, you know, learning, y-you're asking your question is based around what people can do every day, right? So I think that even if you're learning to caretake and grow some food, those principles, those standards don't change. And that's a really empowering thing. I think oftentimes where the fear comes from is when you don't feel like you're in control to be able to fulfill all of your Maslow's hierarchy of needs and I think that like now is a beautiful time to realize how do you provide for yourself on any of those and at any facet and at any level? And, um, what my brother and I are doing, in, in cultivating, which we'll talk about later I'm sure, this readiness collective is taking this time to identify what these really important vocational and just basic life resilient skills are and then knowing who the experts are and then learning some of them.

Sefra Levin (18:02):

And then as my brother said, growing up in survival school, then you have to do the dirt time and practice them. And so, I think the thing is like... And we certainly talked about it on Spartan Up podcasts all the time, you know. We talk about doing these daily rituals of swimming in cold water and people say, "Oh, I can't take a shower." But then they say, "Oh, I'm so depressed. My day's so hard." And you say, "Do you want to take a 30 second cold shower that completely reframes your inner neurological being-

Col. Nye (18:28):

Yeah.

Sefra Levin (18:29):

... that will help cleanse and change that or do you want to spend all day in a funk?" Right? And so, it's a choice. What's harder? Changing your habits a little bit and seeing what eating more plant-based things for one lunch does to your gut and mind flora and what a cold shower does to your energy, what it feels like? Or continuing to live with, with, with, you know, a daily routine that maybe you're not so happy with? So I think there's a number of really awesome positive things to be doing right now.

Col. Nye (18:59):

I, I we're going to go to Angelique here, uh, but I did send Joe a study that I read that said, drinking an eight ounce glass of ice water is the same as taking a 30 second ice bath or shower.

Joe (19:13):

Uh. Well, I, I like that better, Colonel. (laughs).

Col. Nye (19:15):

All you got to do is get up and drink the water in the morning.

Sefra Levin (19:17):

Well, some, some of our body is water, right? And so if you think of the earth and we think of spring water, even if you couldn't have really good food, if you were drinking really good water, that's going to get you a lot of the way there. So. Water's good.

Col. Nye (19:30):

All right. Angelique, uh. I don't know if the time is passed but you said you had an answer. I don't remember the question, but go. Whoop. You've got to unmute.

Angelique (19:40):

Uh. I think your, your question was, um, where does your resiliency come from or where does your mental toughness come from? And, uh, for me, uh, in my case, it's kind of, um, yeah, I never had parents as a... Well, technically, I had parents, but I kind of grew up in the foster care system. And I, I never had that support around me. I never had that care and nourishment around me. So, I guess I just kind of taught myself how to just self soothe and be, um, self sufficient and be self reliant and, and sometimes I think it's a good thing. Sometimes I think it's a bad thing. (laughs). So.

Angelique (20:25):

But yeah, I think that's where my resiliency comes, comes from a lot, uh, just having to rely on yourself and then, not having that support system around me.

Neal Keohane (20:35):

Yeah. Thank you.

Col. Nye (20:36):

No I, I think motivation and lessons can come from many different places, you know.

Neal Keohane (20:41):

Yeah.

Col. Nye (20:42):

It's what you do with them, you know. It's always the, okay, you're faced with this thing, now what? I mean, so-

Angelique (20:46):

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Col. Nye (20:47):

... it could be good or bad, you know. You can, I was always told to write down, uh, leadership things I saw that were good and bad, uh, because you can learn from both of them. You kind of study... You can study poor leadership and learn what to do right by, by looking at what's wrong as well. So.

Angelique (21:02):

Yeah.

Col. Nye (21:03):

But let's, let's skip up here to Jesse. Um. In Tactivate, your company Tactivate which does the, um, goes into the, uh, recovery if you will. You talk about the challenge of the last mile. What... Or the last mile challenge? What, what is that about?

Jesse Levin (21:21):

We see it in, in, in, uh, we see it now in, you know, every disaster. It's, it's, it's very different but and you know, Steve, who's on this call is also, you know, probably one of the best experts, um, in this realm. But, you know, there's, there's so much goodwill and so much intent, positive intent in these types of environments, but because we have such a pervasive culture and I would say internationally, you know, definitely less in some places of, of being very reactionary versus proactive and ready.

Jesse Levin (21:46):

When all of these NGOs and individuals and companies and, you know, and the UN or FEMA or whatever the case might be, or, or the DOD spins up to solve whatever the challenge might be, there's a tremendous amount of execution capacity and, and innovation and, you know, it brings out the best, you know, of, of folks and organizations in these times, but it's really hard to coordinate, right? And it's really hard to, to deal with like duplication of effort and, you know, all of these like high level things that are happening and getting addressed. A lot of times, the real breakdown comes at, you know, the last mile which is a point of delivery, point of care. Um.

Jesse Levin (22:22):

And that's exceedingly different in every single disaster. There's no one size fits all answer here. Uh. You know. But in COVID-19, we're seeing that with a breakdown with, you know, the supply chain in, you know, PPE, in, you know, the personal protective gear. We're seeing that with like issues with, you know, re-agents. We're seeing that with potential strains in our, in our supply chain. Yet, at one level, you know, you've got more [inaudible 00:22:47] and more activation of the entrepreneurial spirit and you know, companies trying to do the right thing and, you know, deal with the programs of record and all these innovative entities doing awesome stuff.

Jesse Levin (22:55):

It's just how does that translate and how does it actually, uh, you know, what is the actual net result of that activity? And there's a tremendous amount of breakdown, uh, between intense top level activity and actually solving the systemic issues, uh, at, at the last mile. Is that cl-, and I can go into that if that, that's the over-arching concept there.

Col. Nye (23:17):

No, I think that's great. I was, I was curious if you took kind of the, the name from, because I know you've, uh, done a lot with the military, especially Special Ops, but you know, the Marine Corps talks about like the last three blocks. You know. Uh. Kind of that, that final infantry men's approach to whatever the problem is that you've got to get on the ground and you've got to get hands on and it's never going to get solved, uh... Where's your buddy with the airplane in the background. It's not going to get solved from the air. You've, you've got to, you've got to get down and touch people one way or the other to solve the problem on the ground.

Jesse Levin (23:50):

Yeah, that's where guys like, you know, you know, like Steve who, you know, they're the real expertise. Yeah, the-these aren't the folks who ever get the credit. These aren't folks who like, you know, are the magazine articles are written up. These are the guys who are really doing... I'm not saying doing everything but they really play a critical role in being able to identify who are those local players, who is that local businessman, who is that local whatever, you know. And finding them and making sure that all these incredible resources that are brought to bear are channeled in a way that is respectful to the, the local kind of last mile, to the local culture and are executed and deployed in a way that is, uh, equitable, sustainable and actually addresses issues on hand versus a perceived problem that might not actually exist.

Col. Nye (24:28):

And then, Sefra, what, uh, with COVID-19 and you being locked down, which I can't even imagine, uh, the energy that must bounce around in that room or whatever room you're in but, uh, what, what are you working on now or what's your next project? What do you, what do you got going?

Sefra Levin (24:47):

Um. Well, actually, I'm back up in Vermont and I'm basically starting up what looks like an apocalypse farm. Think of like, um, you know, um, Water World where they're watering the seeds like with the empty baked bean cans.

Col. Nye (25:00):

Yeah.

Sefra Levin (25:00):

That's, that's kind of what the farm looks like right now. (laughs). I had to take my onions with me from Connecticut. You know. Most people bring whatever they bring and I had a car full of plants. Um. So, I'm working on a, a, a great native pollinator plant project, um, where we're helping local botanists save and collect and proliferate seeds.

Sefra Levin (25:20):

But, um, more importantly, what my brother and I are doing is, um, and also working, you know, with some great strategic partners on this call here, um, we're putting together what we're calling the Readiness Collective, which basically I, as a naturalist and herbalist and seed saver, I equate everything that we do in disaster zones and, um, what I do from a food security perspective to natural principles and patterns found in nature. And so, if I don't bore you all too quickly, um.

Sefra Levin (25:50):

My cilium, right. It's that white internet of the forest. It's that white hairlike structure whose rooting bodies are mushrooms. And the mushrooms are the decomposes of the forest. So when the trees fall down, the mushrooms eat the rotting log. The insects eat the mushrooms. The birds eat the insects. We have a healthy ecosystem in the forest. In these types of situations in COVID-19, what you have to think is the strength of our resilience and our ability to respond, we can equate that to the diversity of a forest, right?

Sefra Levin (26:19):

The more diverse a forest is, which we call perennial polyculture like corn growing in a field is just a monoculture. Each of those trees and shrubs, they serve different ecosystem functions. And it's the same thing with humanity and our response to this. We need everyone's skill sets. We need everyone's unique flowers of pollen and... I'm sure I'll get made fun of for saying all of this, but what, what I'm trying to say is everyone has a role to play. But what needs to happen is that needs to be organized in a way that's accessible and understandable by the massive population, because as we've seen, a lot of our skill sets are, you know, in this new paradigm, a new set of skill sets is needed to be able to be self reliant and resilient.

Sefra Levin (27:02):

So my brother and I have been working on setting up this new project, which I'll let him speak to you. So, um, between that and doing dishes and washing vegetables that come into the house, and you know, playing backgammon, it's a busy day. (laughs).

Col. Nye (27:19):

Well, look, I don't think anybody would make fun of you for that answer. If I was there, I'd give you a high five or a hug or something, if we were allowed to.

Sefra Levin (27:27):

We do a high five.

Col. Nye (27:27):

Even under best of circumstances, I'm not a big hugger. But, uh, yeah.

Sefra Levin (27:31):

We've changed that with you, Colonel.

Col. Nye (27:33):

Yeah, you've worked hard on it, I'll give you that. I'm not sure-

Sefra Levin (27:35):

Well, you've also been a part of Tactivate now for I think seven or so years. How long?

Col. Nye (27:41):

Well, I've known you for about five and a half. So we're going to go with that.

Sefra Levin (27:44):

(laughs).

Jesse Levin (27:45):

You've given us some credit there, Sefra.

Sefra Levin (27:49):

[crosstalk 00:27:49].

Col. Nye (27:49):

So Neal, go ahead and wrap it up if-

Neal Keohane (27:51):

I, I will. Jesse, uh, Sefra, thank you. Jesse, sorry we didn't get to dig into, uh, your new concept that you and Sefra are going to be doing. Um. Maybe another time. I know a little bit about it. It's really cool, very interesting, and it's really taking, um, expertise from pretty much everywhere and putting it under one roof and letting everyone, um, be part of it. So, it's a really cool concept and I can't wait to hear more.

Neal Keohane (28:15):

But, um, we typically have our guests talk about a non-profit that they're associated with and this is kind of how this call started was to, um, bring on and help some non-profits. So, we didn't get to that today, but I would like to mention, uh, one non-profit that I, that I, I try to help. Uh. It's called Special Ops Xcursions and they, uh, they take active duty Special Operations warriors hunting and fishing, uh, all year round and, um, I think they're, they're, um, give/get is 95 percent of the dollar, uh, goes to programming. So it is a very neat organization. They've been doing it for some time, so if you want to check them out. Special Ops Xcursions.

Neal Keohane (28:58):

And I do want to thank, uh, two great companies that helped put this together behind the scenes. That's Inbloom Consulting and FMP Productions. So, um, Sefra, Jesse, thank you so much. I can't wait to talk to you off line and Colonel Nye, it, it's always a pleasure being with you.

Col. Nye (29:14):

Uh. Great being here as well. All right everybody. Thank you very much and we'll see you next week hopefully.

Jesse Levin (29:20):

Thanks for having us, guys.

Neal Keohane (29:20):

Thank you.

Outro (29:22):

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Speaker 8 (29:44):

Do I have time to ask Sefra a real quick question?

Col. Nye (29:47):

Yes, go right ahead. Hurry.

Speaker 8 (29:48):

Sefra. Did you, I'm, I'm Charles' sister.

Sefra Levin (29:52):

Oh. (laughs).

Speaker 8 (29:54):

Did you, did you ever locate the Southport yellow or, um, yeah, globe onion seed?

Sefra Levin (30:07):

That's a question I've been asked in a thousand years. I have located the red and white Southport globe

Speaker 8 (30:12):

Right.

Sefra Levin (30:12):

... and through the years, I harvested my own seed. I revived that heirloom. The yellow globe is still a mystery so the seed hunters are still on the hunt for that one.

Speaker 8 (30:21):

Okay.

Col. Nye (30:22):

How the hell did you know that?

Neal Keohane (30:23):

Great way to wrap that call up. Thank you.

Col. Nye (30:25):

We, we got to go. [crosstalk 00:30:26].

Speaker 8 (30:25):

Thank you.

Col. Nye (30:25):

All right. Bye-bye.

Speaker 8 (30:25):

Bye. Thank you. Goodbye.

Sefra Levin (30:30):

Love to you all. Bye-bye.

Col. Nye (30:32):

Bye.

Sefra Levin (30:32):

Nice-

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